1 00:00:09,450 --> 00:00:06,690 my name is Jeremy Korbel I seek to 2 00:00:12,110 --> 00:00:09,460 weaponize your curiosity and if you're 3 00:00:15,270 --> 00:00:12,120 ready to suspend your own prejudice 4 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:15,280 welcome to the world of extraordinary 5 00:00:27,690 --> 00:00:25,450 beliefs material that has been pulled 6 00:00:30,750 --> 00:00:27,700 out of a man's leg that should not exist 7 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:30,760 this sample could not have been made on 8 00:00:36,510 --> 00:00:33,610 earth because the isotopic ratios I know 9 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:36,520 there are alien craft here from another 10 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:41,410 planet I was inside one who are we and 11 00:00:45,630 --> 00:00:43,210 where are we actually sitting within the 12 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:45,640 architecture of our universe are we 13 00:01:04,560 --> 00:00:48,610 alone or is the answer simply stranger 14 00:01:07,770 --> 00:01:04,570 than we can think I was a guy in charge 15 00:01:10,260 --> 00:01:07,780 of over 300 people at twelve airplanes I 16 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:10,270 do have first-hand account of something 17 00:01:15,749 --> 00:01:12,130 that I could not explain this thing's 18 00:01:18,179 --> 00:01:15,759 been over 100 broadcasts and over 300 19 00:01:20,129 --> 00:01:18,189 plus publication you know I guess if a 20 00:01:23,699 --> 00:01:20,139 flying saucer landed in the middle of 21 00:01:25,469 --> 00:01:23,709 the mall in DC and the news people saw 22 00:01:28,370 --> 00:01:25,479 it where it became a reality like you 23 00:01:31,139 --> 00:01:28,380 see a movie then it would instantly go 24 00:01:34,169 --> 00:01:31,149 but because that hasn't happened and you 25 00:01:37,529 --> 00:01:34,179 know I'm I don't see it happening then 26 00:01:39,300 --> 00:01:37,539 it takes time I have talked to people in 27 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:39,310 the government about this there are 28 00:01:42,779 --> 00:01:40,810 people trying to figure out what are 29 00:01:44,999 --> 00:01:42,789 these things can we advance ourselves 30 00:01:46,859 --> 00:01:45,009 from the technologies let's stop looking 31 00:01:48,539 --> 00:01:46,869 at these things like they're freakish 32 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:48,549 and let's try and learn from them and 33 00:01:52,709 --> 00:01:51,130 then possibly reverse engineer or 34 00:01:54,269 --> 00:01:52,719 develop technology to gives us that 35 00:01:55,300 --> 00:01:54,279 capability sure you're not going to 36 00:02:02,539 --> 00:01:55,310 believe 37 00:02:04,429 --> 00:02:02,549 again this is part 2 of my interview 38 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:04,439 with commander David flavor if you 39 00:02:09,169 --> 00:02:06,810 haven't listened to part 1 go do that 40 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:09,179 now you need to understand who commander 41 00:02:14,750 --> 00:02:11,610 flavor is and the nature and importance 42 00:02:16,940 --> 00:02:14,760 of his UFO encounter in this discussion 43 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:16,950 we get into the details we talked about 44 00:02:21,860 --> 00:02:19,290 the different witness reports on the 45 00:02:24,559 --> 00:02:21,870 tic-tock UFO encounter and talked about 46 00:02:27,590 --> 00:02:24,569 the nature of observation and how it can 47 00:02:29,479 --> 00:02:27,600 be flawed this highlights the important 48 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:29,489 role of a good investigator and how 49 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:31,850 event witnesses can't be compared as 50 00:02:37,850 --> 00:02:35,250 apples to apples commander favor even 51 00:02:40,850 --> 00:02:37,860 relates a couple stories that provide 52 00:02:44,210 --> 00:02:40,860 deeper meaning into the feelings he has 53 00:02:46,940 --> 00:02:44,220 on why intelligent observation and study 54 00:02:49,340 --> 00:02:46,950 in the UFO topic is important Dave's 55 00:02:51,259 --> 00:02:49,350 quite candid in this interview his hope 56 00:02:54,410 --> 00:02:51,269 is that you understand the importance of 57 00:02:56,870 --> 00:02:54,420 serious UFO encounters being seriously 58 00:02:59,210 --> 00:02:56,880 investigated that there's so much to 59 00:03:02,210 --> 00:02:59,220 gain but also so much to lose if we 60 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:02,220 don't openly investigate observe UFO 61 00:03:10,390 --> 00:03:05,730 technologies that he's hopeful due to 62 00:03:16,869 --> 00:03:16,000 I wanted to continue the interview so 63 00:03:18,759 --> 00:03:16,879 it's on the record 64 00:03:20,410 --> 00:03:18,769 I think some things should be cleared up 65 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:20,420 what you have to say is important 66 00:03:23,110 --> 00:03:21,290 especially when it starts getting 67 00:03:24,699 --> 00:03:23,120 distorted so I want to ask you a few 68 00:03:26,860 --> 00:03:24,709 questions and I want to see if you can 69 00:03:29,380 --> 00:03:26,870 put these things to bed that pilot 70 00:03:32,020 --> 00:03:29,390 report that's touted out there as being 71 00:03:33,460 --> 00:03:32,030 legitimate they're quoting somebody that 72 00:03:35,050 --> 00:03:33,470 they're calling source and everybody 73 00:03:38,259 --> 00:03:35,060 else is called other knowledgeable one 74 00:03:42,039 --> 00:03:38,269 other knowledgeable - okay one okay - in 75 00:03:43,809 --> 00:03:42,049 that document whoever source is which 76 00:03:46,390 --> 00:03:43,819 I've figured out who it is and it's 77 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:46,400 obviously not you you're okay - in that 78 00:03:50,860 --> 00:03:49,250 document source is saying that the radio 79 00:03:53,339 --> 00:03:50,870 controller was a female and you 80 00:03:57,729 --> 00:03:53,349 clarified that for me on our last talk 81 00:03:59,830 --> 00:03:57,739 and the 13 page report that came out the 82 00:04:02,470 --> 00:03:59,840 controller's name is poison and that's a 83 00:04:05,199 --> 00:04:02,480 man name so I believe that to be correct 84 00:04:07,179 --> 00:04:05,209 in the 13 page report compared to the 85 00:04:09,610 --> 00:04:07,189 one on TTS a but you gotta remember that 86 00:04:10,929 --> 00:04:09,620 the one on TTS a you know what it's 87 00:04:14,860 --> 00:04:10,939 years after the fact 88 00:04:16,390 --> 00:04:14,870 - the person is experiencing significant 89 00:04:18,009 --> 00:04:16,400 ly lower they were relatively new 90 00:04:19,750 --> 00:04:18,019 there's a lot that goes into that 91 00:04:22,570 --> 00:04:19,760 don't create everyone in the scenarios 92 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:22,580 as apples and apples I mean there is 93 00:04:28,300 --> 00:04:26,050 anywhere from brand-new on the ship to 94 00:04:30,550 --> 00:04:28,310 someone like myself we've been out there 95 00:04:33,159 --> 00:04:30,560 for 16 years and it's my fifth 96 00:04:35,529 --> 00:04:33,169 deployment it's not apples to apples you 97 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:35,539 are the commander of your squadron it's 98 00:04:39,339 --> 00:04:37,130 not just that I was just fortunate 99 00:04:41,710 --> 00:04:39,349 enough to never I never left the cockpit 100 00:04:43,659 --> 00:04:41,720 so I was either deployed or I was 101 00:04:45,490 --> 00:04:43,669 teaching so I didn't go do a short tour 102 00:04:48,250 --> 00:04:45,500 I wasn't in a jet for three years or 103 00:04:51,659 --> 00:04:48,260 whatever I was current from the day I 104 00:04:54,189 --> 00:04:51,669 started flight school until I retired 105 00:04:56,050 --> 00:04:54,199 which is really you can't even do it 106 00:04:56,700 --> 00:04:56,060 anymore you're not even allowed to put 107 00:05:00,189 --> 00:04:56,710 anymore 108 00:05:02,050 --> 00:05:00,199 Aviation is a very perishable skill when 109 00:05:04,420 --> 00:05:02,060 I say that I mean recalls a perishable 110 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:04,430 skill understanding you know when you're 111 00:05:07,570 --> 00:05:05,690 out over the water and you don't have 112 00:05:09,969 --> 00:05:07,580 visual references which northwood self 113 00:05:11,350 --> 00:05:09,979 what seas what's with and the ability to 114 00:05:12,969 --> 00:05:11,360 pull all that back 115 00:05:14,740 --> 00:05:12,979 you don't just get it yet tomorrow you 116 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:14,750 can't read a book and get it it's 117 00:05:18,730 --> 00:05:16,370 literally a repetitive practice 118 00:05:20,890 --> 00:05:18,740 constantly doing it that's very 119 00:05:23,950 --> 00:05:20,900 important when we start talking about 120 00:05:26,830 --> 00:05:23,960 this in the TTS a website dock 121 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:26,840 the pilot report source is the other 122 00:05:30,730 --> 00:05:28,970 person who's flying the plane 123 00:05:33,070 --> 00:05:30,740 you both have WSO's but it's the other 124 00:05:34,029 --> 00:05:33,080 person flying the plane when there's two 125 00:05:37,180 --> 00:05:34,039 planes to go 126 00:05:39,460 --> 00:05:37,190 engage the tic-tac so that person named 127 00:05:42,010 --> 00:05:39,470 source was the other pilot that day and 128 00:05:45,580 --> 00:05:42,020 that pilot you're saying didn't have as 129 00:05:49,270 --> 00:05:45,590 much experience as say yourself I'm not 130 00:05:50,860 --> 00:05:49,280 even close that person you know it was 131 00:05:53,589 --> 00:05:50,870 literally in opposite ends of the 132 00:05:56,050 --> 00:05:53,599 spectrum as far as experience the other 133 00:05:58,839 --> 00:05:56,060 pilot knows that they talk to them quite 134 00:06:00,850 --> 00:05:58,849 often the other thing that was in that 135 00:06:03,219 --> 00:06:00,860 document and it's something that you and 136 00:06:04,870 --> 00:06:03,229 I talked about before that document was 137 00:06:07,810 --> 00:06:04,880 released before the New York Times 138 00:06:10,659 --> 00:06:07,820 before anything and he told me a story 139 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:10,669 and that story was that after you 140 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:13,130 engaged the tic-tac you came back into 141 00:06:18,310 --> 00:06:14,930 the ready room the person were calling 142 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:18,320 source started writing on printer paper 143 00:06:25,659 --> 00:06:22,970 and mailed a report to their aunt that 144 00:06:27,580 --> 00:06:25,669 said keep this because it's important 145 00:06:30,219 --> 00:06:27,590 stuff about some real x-files [\h__\h] is 146 00:06:32,740 --> 00:06:30,229 that correct that is actually a true 147 00:06:35,379 --> 00:06:32,750 face the other part of that story that 148 00:06:38,110 --> 00:06:35,389 we had talked about it was sad that you 149 00:06:41,620 --> 00:06:38,120 made an electronic copy of the gun tape 150 00:06:43,439 --> 00:06:41,630 from your f-18 so when the other guys 151 00:06:46,689 --> 00:06:43,449 when they came back with the video I 152 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:46,699 copied those tapes and I put them in the 153 00:06:51,610 --> 00:06:49,130 face where they ever ended up I do not I 154 00:06:54,659 --> 00:06:51,620 do not possess them they were they were 155 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:54,669 actually in a safe or safekeeping 156 00:06:58,180 --> 00:06:56,930 probably they obviously thank someone 157 00:07:01,089 --> 00:06:58,190 found them because they weren't marked 158 00:07:03,850 --> 00:07:01,099 on it just had a PCL paper on it it said 159 00:07:06,999 --> 00:07:03,860 for CEO so whatever happened to them 160 00:07:09,370 --> 00:07:07,009 after that I don't know is that normal 161 00:07:11,110 --> 00:07:09,380 protocol to create copies of the tapes I 162 00:07:13,570 --> 00:07:11,120 mean it's not uncommon to copy things 163 00:07:15,490 --> 00:07:13,580 and as the CEO I I actually have that 164 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:15,500 ability to go or copying this and we'll 165 00:07:19,950 --> 00:07:17,570 just keep it in the safe which is what 166 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:19,960 happened it was all handled correctly 167 00:07:25,959 --> 00:07:23,449 but yeah hell yeah copy them the tapes 168 00:07:28,510 --> 00:07:25,969 are actually classified so you just 169 00:07:31,060 --> 00:07:28,520 can't pull video off which happened 170 00:07:32,709 --> 00:07:31,070 anyway which I mean obviously there's 171 00:07:35,550 --> 00:07:32,719 that's a whole other story 172 00:07:38,020 --> 00:07:35,560 that we're not going to get into 173 00:07:39,670 --> 00:07:38,030 could you can copy stuff and then you 174 00:07:40,930 --> 00:07:39,680 can declassify it by getting rid of a 175 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:40,940 lot of the marketing it but it's kind of 176 00:07:44,950 --> 00:07:42,610 a moot point just it's already out there 177 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:44,960 just to make the story real clear 178 00:07:49,810 --> 00:07:46,970 because it's it's confusing in that 179 00:07:51,820 --> 00:07:49,820 report on the TTS a website that the guy 180 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:51,830 source said that you began making an 181 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:53,570 electronic copy immediately after 182 00:07:58,030 --> 00:07:55,970 getting back of a gun tape of the f18 so 183 00:08:02,620 --> 00:07:58,040 it makes it sound like the only footage 184 00:08:05,470 --> 00:08:02,630 on video is the footage from the plane 185 00:08:07,780 --> 00:08:05,480 that you see on YouTube we don't take 186 00:08:09,850 --> 00:08:07,790 the HUD camera unless we're doing 187 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:09,860 certain dishes there's nothing on ours 188 00:08:15,820 --> 00:08:12,610 conveyor lock feeding graphic targeting 189 00:08:19,300 --> 00:08:15,830 that is a true statement and that report 190 00:08:22,540 --> 00:08:19,310 on the TTS a website by source is 191 00:08:24,550 --> 00:08:22,550 incorrect yeah there are some known 192 00:08:26,790 --> 00:08:24,560 discrepancies that are out there you 193 00:08:30,370 --> 00:08:26,800 know and some of that is cuz it is 194 00:08:31,630 --> 00:08:30,380 significantly past the event go and if 195 00:08:33,250 --> 00:08:31,640 someone hits you cold and you're not 196 00:08:35,710 --> 00:08:33,260 thinking about it and then they start 197 00:08:37,030 --> 00:08:35,720 taking notes on what you're saying you 198 00:08:38,380 --> 00:08:37,040 know I guess the reason it's so clear 199 00:08:40,210 --> 00:08:38,390 for me is I always thought it was funny 200 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:40,220 and like all my friends knew about this 201 00:08:45,490 --> 00:08:43,370 and the story hasn't changed there's 202 00:08:47,890 --> 00:08:45,500 nothing to change is what it is I'm not 203 00:08:50,650 --> 00:08:47,900 trying to elaborate or make it more 204 00:08:53,290 --> 00:08:50,660 interesting or the fish didn't get 205 00:08:56,430 --> 00:08:53,300 bigger I just wanted you know to clear 206 00:08:59,470 --> 00:08:56,440 all that up it'd be amazed that even 207 00:09:01,270 --> 00:08:59,480 people misconception on board of what 208 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:01,280 people thought you know years after what 209 00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:03,370 you're told or will be relied to newer 210 00:09:08,460 --> 00:09:05,690 people people will put stuff in their 211 00:09:10,750 --> 00:09:08,470 mind and they'll believe that over time 212 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:10,760 now I don't think most of the mistakes 213 00:09:15,010 --> 00:09:12,650 the discrepancies are intentional at all 214 00:09:18,490 --> 00:09:15,020 I just think it's you know how the mine 215 00:09:20,530 --> 00:09:18,500 for members and it is what it is there 216 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:20,540 was a New York magazine article 217 00:09:26,050 --> 00:09:24,050 it was very unfavorable and it was also 218 00:09:28,690 --> 00:09:26,060 facing some of its article off of that 219 00:09:30,430 --> 00:09:28,700 tts a document where source is talking 220 00:09:32,290 --> 00:09:30,440 where there are inaccuracies we already 221 00:09:34,420 --> 00:09:32,300 know about in that article the writer 222 00:09:36,610 --> 00:09:34,430 said it seems that to the Stars is 223 00:09:39,820 --> 00:09:36,620 trying to shroud favors account in a 224 00:09:43,030 --> 00:09:39,830 spooky fog of faux top secrecy this is a 225 00:09:47,020 --> 00:09:43,040 dicey strategy giving framers prominence 226 00:09:48,790 --> 00:09:47,030 in online UFO circles they're assuming 227 00:09:50,380 --> 00:09:48,800 in that article that you were the 228 00:09:52,180 --> 00:09:50,390 and source that you were inexperienced 229 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:52,190 now we know that's not true 230 00:09:57,190 --> 00:09:54,290 so the New York magazine article when it 231 00:10:00,400 --> 00:09:57,200 said given framers prominence in online 232 00:10:05,949 --> 00:10:00,410 UFO circles have you ever been involved 233 00:10:08,530 --> 00:10:05,959 with online UFO circles Dave I have not 234 00:10:11,019 --> 00:10:08,540 been involved in any you know it could 235 00:10:14,170 --> 00:10:11,029 be people talking about the other thing 236 00:10:17,500 --> 00:10:14,180 I want to throw is go to the starch is 237 00:10:19,420 --> 00:10:17,510 not trying to do anything like that 238 00:10:23,199 --> 00:10:19,430 they took some reports that they had 239 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:23,209 gathered there are spin accuracies but 240 00:10:31,060 --> 00:10:26,410 they are accounts I was an aircraft 241 00:10:33,310 --> 00:10:31,070 mishap investigator so plane crash let 242 00:10:34,420 --> 00:10:33,320 strange do that and the first thing you 243 00:10:36,519 --> 00:10:34,430 learn it as soon as you get the 244 00:10:38,350 --> 00:10:36,529 eyewitness they give you their accounts 245 00:10:41,380 --> 00:10:38,360 now their account is not always throw 246 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:41,390 accurate but it's their account what you 247 00:10:45,009 --> 00:10:43,370 need to do is you need to take all of 248 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:45,019 them and then get the whole picture 249 00:10:50,829 --> 00:10:47,170 before you take one person's story 250 00:10:52,420 --> 00:10:50,839 because there's always an accuracies you 251 00:10:54,190 --> 00:10:52,430 know so someone would say I thought I 252 00:10:56,079 --> 00:10:54,200 heard a bang and then I looked up but 253 00:10:58,510 --> 00:10:56,089 what you really did it I know we didn't 254 00:11:00,819 --> 00:10:58,520 see it they heard a bang and then I seen 255 00:11:02,199 --> 00:11:00,829 you know they find crash where they saw 256 00:11:03,579 --> 00:11:02,209 it doing something and they thought it 257 00:11:05,110 --> 00:11:03,589 was out of control but it really was out 258 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:05,120 of control the guy was just practicing 259 00:11:10,150 --> 00:11:07,130 spins but it was something else that 260 00:11:12,639 --> 00:11:10,160 caused the action he over G to pull out 261 00:11:14,530 --> 00:11:12,649 broke as far I'm just throwing these 262 00:11:17,019 --> 00:11:14,540 things out there there's a lot of things 263 00:11:20,290 --> 00:11:17,029 that happen you know the eye is not 264 00:11:22,449 --> 00:11:20,300 always 100% you know you could be 265 00:11:25,420 --> 00:11:22,459 deceived but you build the picture in 266 00:11:27,010 --> 00:11:25,430 your mind and after time the stories 267 00:11:29,199 --> 00:11:27,020 will start to change or you just forget 268 00:11:30,850 --> 00:11:29,209 some of the detail it's better than 269 00:11:33,150 --> 00:11:30,860 stolen just because it says source 270 00:11:35,769 --> 00:11:33,160 doesn't mean it's me because it's not I 271 00:11:37,210 --> 00:11:35,779 totally respect what Tom DeLonge and his 272 00:11:39,579 --> 00:11:37,220 group are doing he's put together an 273 00:11:41,710 --> 00:11:39,589 incredible group of people who as part 274 00:11:45,189 --> 00:11:41,720 of that Louis heard the stories news 275 00:11:46,930 --> 00:11:45,199 talk to everybody he knows what they it 276 00:11:49,569 --> 00:11:46,940 is what it is because it's a personality 277 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:49,579 put up so I'm just trying to shine a 278 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:51,890 light on that a prominent publication 279 00:11:55,509 --> 00:11:53,690 like New York magazine can have all 280 00:11:58,150 --> 00:11:55,519 their facts wrong and then make 281 00:12:00,790 --> 00:11:58,160 statements about you such as that you 282 00:12:02,450 --> 00:12:00,800 have a prominence in online UFO circles 283 00:12:04,220 --> 00:12:02,460 when I know for a fact I'm talking 284 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:04,230 with you you're not involved in any of 285 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:05,730 this you never have been involved in any 286 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:07,530 of this and I think it's important to 287 00:12:12,530 --> 00:12:10,110 show that against a magazine like New 288 00:12:14,110 --> 00:12:12,540 York magazine that people respect where 289 00:12:17,900 --> 00:12:14,120 they get stuff completely wrong and 290 00:12:20,210 --> 00:12:17,910 insert absolutely fabricated statements 291 00:12:23,210 --> 00:12:20,220 such as the one I just read you this is 292 00:12:25,970 --> 00:12:23,220 a perfect example why the military we 293 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:25,980 try and stay away from the press so you 294 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:27,690 get the partial truce you get one side 295 00:12:31,700 --> 00:12:29,850 of the story instead of unbiased 296 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:31,710 reporting even if you don't like what 297 00:12:36,410 --> 00:12:33,930 the report is report it you know the 298 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:36,420 news used to be that way but it's not I 299 00:12:40,130 --> 00:12:38,610 told you at the beginning that if this 300 00:12:42,590 --> 00:12:40,140 goes big people are gonna try to distort 301 00:12:45,350 --> 00:12:42,600 it and now we're seeing it physicist 302 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:45,360 Eric Davis who is physicist for OSAP and 303 00:12:50,570 --> 00:12:48,210 bass he came on coast-to-coast and Eric 304 00:12:52,730 --> 00:12:50,580 said there was testimony being given to 305 00:12:55,430 --> 00:12:52,740 government individuals to try to 306 00:13:00,440 --> 00:12:55,440 reinvigorate the funding for programs 307 00:13:02,900 --> 00:13:00,450 such as a tip AUSA ass are you hopeful 308 00:13:06,680 --> 00:13:02,910 for that process that we're gonna begin 309 00:13:09,860 --> 00:13:06,690 studying this again yes yeah actually 310 00:13:12,530 --> 00:13:09,870 him you know I guess if a flying saucer 311 00:13:14,990 --> 00:13:12,540 landed in the middle of the mall in DC 312 00:13:16,940 --> 00:13:15,000 and the news people saw it where it 313 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:16,950 became a reality like you'd see a movie 314 00:13:21,890 --> 00:13:20,130 then it would instantly go away but 315 00:13:23,980 --> 00:13:21,900 because that hasn't happened and you 316 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:23,990 know I I don't see it happening 317 00:13:31,340 --> 00:13:28,530 then it takes try physicist Eric Davis 318 00:13:33,260 --> 00:13:31,350 he worked for all sap and bass looking 319 00:13:36,260 --> 00:13:33,270 at all of this stuff he said there were 320 00:13:38,690 --> 00:13:36,270 actually hundreds of tic-tac incidents 321 00:13:40,220 --> 00:13:38,700 East Coast West Coast but also other 322 00:13:43,010 --> 00:13:40,230 places in the world where he said there 323 00:13:45,050 --> 00:13:43,020 were tic-tac style events so my question 324 00:13:48,500 --> 00:13:45,060 to you is are you aware of other pilots 325 00:13:50,690 --> 00:13:48,510 who have engaged tic-tac style craft a 326 00:13:52,970 --> 00:13:50,700 AVS and almost aerospace vehicles or 327 00:13:54,890 --> 00:13:52,980 UFOs are you aware that this is not an 328 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:54,900 isolated event that there are other 329 00:14:01,040 --> 00:13:56,490 tic-tac events that the united states 330 00:14:03,230 --> 00:14:01,050 government was aware of actually the 331 00:14:04,730 --> 00:14:03,240 tic-tac I mean you can see in one of the 332 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:04,740 videos that was released and obviously 333 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:07,290 not exact the gimbal you're talking 334 00:14:12,460 --> 00:14:10,050 about yes the gimbal video you know so I 335 00:14:15,769 --> 00:14:12,470 don't know I think what's unique about 336 00:14:19,100 --> 00:14:15,779 Munson in 2000 or our instant 337 00:14:22,249 --> 00:14:19,110 Orlov isn't Italy physically when after 338 00:14:26,509 --> 00:14:22,259 I I went after the thing and it was 339 00:14:30,290 --> 00:14:26,519 reacting with me based on that but I 340 00:14:33,049 --> 00:14:30,300 know when I talked to you so he said 341 00:14:34,850 --> 00:14:33,059 that was the most unique thing you know 342 00:14:36,499 --> 00:14:34,860 they have other sightings they have 343 00:14:39,319 --> 00:14:36,509 other sensors that are tracking these 344 00:14:42,139 --> 00:14:39,329 things no one else has really chased or 345 00:14:45,019 --> 00:14:42,149 engaged with it like me that I know I 346 00:14:47,780 --> 00:14:45,029 mean I have a very limited scope in the 347 00:14:50,329 --> 00:14:47,790 big picture unlike some I don't consider 348 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:50,339 myself to be an expert although I do 349 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:52,290 have first-hand account of something 350 00:14:56,389 --> 00:14:55,290 that I could not explain after thousands 351 00:14:59,480 --> 00:14:56,399 and thousands of hours of flying 352 00:15:01,670 --> 00:14:59,490 fighters you did tell me somebody that 353 00:15:04,759 --> 00:15:01,680 you spoke with it was a helicopter pilot 354 00:15:07,150 --> 00:15:04,769 and there was an event that happened in 355 00:15:10,249 --> 00:15:07,160 the night they were picking up pqs 356 00:15:12,319 --> 00:15:10,259 because I was a flying drone used for 357 00:15:13,879 --> 00:15:12,329 training can you tell me that story I 358 00:15:16,699 --> 00:15:13,889 think that's important because it 359 00:15:19,759 --> 00:15:16,709 relates to this phenomenon he was 360 00:15:23,059 --> 00:15:19,769 picking up um torpedoes when a test from 361 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:23,069 the be here meter asteroid at the flying 362 00:15:27,889 --> 00:15:26,370 drone they're painted bright orange ship 363 00:15:29,809 --> 00:15:27,899 radar track they can do all kinds of 364 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:29,819 training when they're done a parachute 365 00:15:33,189 --> 00:15:31,290 deploys and lands in the water they 366 00:15:35,420 --> 00:15:33,199 float and then he gotta go pick him up 367 00:15:36,860 --> 00:15:35,430 same thing with the torpedo it's a 368 00:15:38,990 --> 00:15:36,870 kilometer around they'll shoot it I 369 00:15:42,019 --> 00:15:39,000 thought that it blows ballast that it 370 00:15:44,990 --> 00:15:42,029 floats has a locator and you go fight he 371 00:15:46,670 --> 00:15:45,000 had went out he was a Puerto Rico he saw 372 00:15:49,910 --> 00:15:46,680 this object coming up when they were 373 00:15:52,939 --> 00:15:49,920 picking one up came up from blood oh it 374 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:52,949 was big so they were doing it again they 375 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:53,850 were going to pick someone they're 376 00:15:58,429 --> 00:15:55,050 getting ready to put the diver in the 377 00:16:00,559 --> 00:15:58,439 water he was on lift going down and then 378 00:16:02,540 --> 00:16:00,569 right after that the thing was coming up 379 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:02,550 again so they pulled the diver up but 380 00:16:06,590 --> 00:16:04,649 procureur the pqm is sitting there and 381 00:16:10,449 --> 00:16:06,600 it just could shut down and the object 382 00:16:13,639 --> 00:16:10,459 goes not a disappears so there was a USO 383 00:16:16,249 --> 00:16:13,649 unidentified submerged object that was 384 00:16:18,679 --> 00:16:16,259 bigger than a submarine when they were 385 00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:18,689 trying to retrieve this thing hold it 386 00:16:24,410 --> 00:16:22,079 under the water and took it it just it 387 00:16:26,540 --> 00:16:24,420 sucked out you know things just don't 388 00:16:27,949 --> 00:16:26,550 think rapidly either just get and 389 00:16:29,700 --> 00:16:27,959 they're not you know these things blow 390 00:16:34,260 --> 00:16:29,710 ballots so they don't just don't 391 00:16:37,110 --> 00:16:34,270 a flow so something something hold it 392 00:16:38,460 --> 00:16:37,120 down okay so to be clear we're talking 393 00:16:39,990 --> 00:16:38,470 about a buddy of yours who is a 394 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:40,000 helicopter pilot who relate a story 395 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:43,210 about how a USO to book this object down 396 00:16:46,670 --> 00:16:45,250 under the water that's made to float not 397 00:16:48,170 --> 00:16:46,680 to be retrieved again is that correct 398 00:16:52,890 --> 00:16:48,180 that's correct 399 00:16:54,510 --> 00:16:52,900 it happened to him twice twice yeah the 400 00:16:57,540 --> 00:16:54,520 first time when he saw it they got their 401 00:16:59,040 --> 00:16:57,550 drone up and the second time was when he 402 00:17:00,870 --> 00:16:59,050 pulls a diver out of the water and the 403 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:00,880 thing just got sucked down a disappeared 404 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:02,890 different locations different drones 405 00:17:08,100 --> 00:17:05,770 different days same location different 406 00:17:09,690 --> 00:17:08,110 drones different days I mean that shows 407 00:17:12,090 --> 00:17:09,700 us that there's just a lot going on 408 00:17:13,980 --> 00:17:12,100 that's just not talked about you report 409 00:17:16,290 --> 00:17:13,990 stuff and people do anything and there 410 00:17:18,300 --> 00:17:16,300 comes out there's tons of stuff out 411 00:17:19,740 --> 00:17:18,310 there I would say there's a very low 412 00:17:21,810 --> 00:17:19,750 percentage of stuff that actually makes 413 00:17:23,610 --> 00:17:21,820 it do an official investigation or where 414 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:23,620 anyone knows about it it's as you said 415 00:17:27,750 --> 00:17:25,810 to me the other day when you report 416 00:17:30,030 --> 00:17:27,760 something like this it could be a career 417 00:17:32,790 --> 00:17:30,040 killer so there's an aspect of it where 418 00:17:35,070 --> 00:17:32,800 you don't want to report it yes Anand I 419 00:17:37,530 --> 00:17:35,080 don't had any negative effects 420 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:37,540 career-wise then again you never know 421 00:17:41,550 --> 00:17:40,330 because I retired so I mean I guess I 422 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:41,560 didn't stick around long enough to have 423 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:43,810 him say I was nuts but like all my 424 00:17:46,860 --> 00:17:45,490 friends you've known this for years they 425 00:17:47,190 --> 00:17:46,870 don't they don't look at me like I'm 426 00:17:48,330 --> 00:17:47,200 nuts 427 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:48,340 they don't think they look at me like 428 00:17:53,970 --> 00:17:51,970 I'm not you are describing from a 429 00:17:56,220 --> 00:17:53,980 trained professional observers position 430 00:17:58,440 --> 00:17:56,230 exactly what happened and I think people 431 00:18:00,090 --> 00:17:58,450 are appreciative of that one more thing 432 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:00,100 that people have been saying who are 433 00:18:04,470 --> 00:18:02,410 part of what was going on those days as 434 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:04,480 far as I grade our operators they a 435 00:18:10,740 --> 00:18:07,050 number of them say that there were 436 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:10,750 non-uniformed individuals who came on to 437 00:18:15,180 --> 00:18:12,850 the boat maybe it was the next day maybe 438 00:18:17,730 --> 00:18:15,190 it was the same day and tried to get the 439 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:17,740 tapes and that the tapes were not given 440 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:20,250 to them do you know anything about this 441 00:18:26,850 --> 00:18:24,610 that's total [\h__\h] so let me ask you 442 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:26,860 this do you really think guys are going 443 00:18:33,770 --> 00:18:30,010 to come on board the USS Nimitz 444 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:33,780 and try and get those tapes that I had 445 00:18:39,660 --> 00:18:36,610 and I'm the squadron CEO so what are the 446 00:18:41,190 --> 00:18:39,670 senior people on that boat and they're 447 00:18:43,250 --> 00:18:41,200 only going to go to petty officer Jones 448 00:18:44,990 --> 00:18:43,260 and ask him for those tapes 449 00:18:47,810 --> 00:18:45,000 people are actually gonna bite off on 450 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:47,820 that you know I'll raise the flag owing 451 00:18:51,050 --> 00:18:49,770 that's probably not happening first of 452 00:18:52,820 --> 00:18:51,060 any ones coming up in the ship the 453 00:18:54,290 --> 00:18:52,830 captain's going to be informed and I 454 00:18:56,570 --> 00:18:54,300 know both the captains that were on 455 00:18:58,520 --> 00:18:56,580 there when I was on board so I'm 456 00:19:00,350 --> 00:18:58,530 counting that happen and I was really 457 00:19:03,050 --> 00:19:00,360 good friends well not without Admiral 458 00:19:05,780 --> 00:19:03,060 but the next Admiral who was on there so 459 00:19:07,220 --> 00:19:05,790 I would argue the fact I don't think 460 00:19:09,980 --> 00:19:07,230 anyone came up and no one ever came to 461 00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:09,990 me and asked for those tapes there was a 462 00:19:13,730 --> 00:19:11,760 joke that there was people coming out 463 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:13,740 and when I figured out that they were 464 00:19:17,870 --> 00:19:16,050 doing this thought it was cute I went 465 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:17,880 and got my tapes back and had a nice 466 00:19:22,370 --> 00:19:20,370 one-way conversation with them but you 467 00:19:23,810 --> 00:19:22,380 know this is this is exactly how rumors 468 00:19:25,790 --> 00:19:23,820 started this is the whole thing when 469 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:25,800 Helene wrote the New York Times article 470 00:19:31,130 --> 00:19:29,370 that covered my piece I told her do not 471 00:19:32,990 --> 00:19:31,140 mess up the facts because I'm tired of 472 00:19:35,420 --> 00:19:33,000 reading stuff that's messed up as a 473 00:19:37,730 --> 00:19:35,430 matter of fact I told Chris sent you two 474 00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:37,740 stars when when I first saw the press 475 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:40,320 release and I watched it you sent me the 476 00:19:44,210 --> 00:19:42,330 list and the dad was wrong and when I 477 00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:44,220 talked to them I said look if we're 478 00:19:47,660 --> 00:19:45,360 going to do this we're going to do it 479 00:19:49,850 --> 00:19:47,670 right but there are some significant 480 00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:49,860 issues with what you said that is not 481 00:19:52,610 --> 00:19:50,400 true 482 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:52,620 if we're going to tell a story I want 483 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:54,210 the story to come out the exact same way 484 00:19:59,420 --> 00:19:55,890 it's been told for the last fourteen 485 00:20:02,540 --> 00:19:59,430 years because here's what problem if you 486 00:20:04,490 --> 00:20:02,550 get conflicting facts and people go well 487 00:20:06,940 --> 00:20:04,500 maybe there's some there's some untruths 488 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:06,950 and they're trying to pull our leg 489 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:09,810 they're making stuff up no we're not 490 00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:12,570 making stuff up this is the story and if 491 00:20:16,130 --> 00:20:14,400 we sit down and tell it everyone will 492 00:20:18,590 --> 00:20:16,140 agree that yep that's pretty much what 493 00:20:20,530 --> 00:20:18,600 happens you know but because someone 494 00:20:23,090 --> 00:20:20,540 made a mistake it's not necessarily that 495 00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:23,100 it's just a mistake thank you for 496 00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:24,720 clarifying that because a lot of people 497 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:26,130 are running with that story but it 498 00:20:29,810 --> 00:20:27,570 sounds like it was a story that was 499 00:20:31,460 --> 00:20:29,820 created as a joke on the ship so all of 500 00:20:33,050 --> 00:20:31,470 a sudden there's suited dudes coming in 501 00:20:35,210 --> 00:20:33,060 trying to get the footage and being 502 00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:35,220 denied so you actually took your tapes 503 00:20:39,310 --> 00:20:36,960 back had a one-way conversation with 504 00:20:41,390 --> 00:20:39,320 somebody who was starting that rumor 505 00:20:43,670 --> 00:20:41,400 well they thought they would play a 506 00:20:45,710 --> 00:20:43,680 little joke by that time this is about 507 00:20:48,620 --> 00:20:45,720 day two I was about done with the jokes 508 00:20:50,210 --> 00:20:48,630 so what was the joke well it was the 509 00:20:52,370 --> 00:20:50,220 joke of though someone's coming out this 510 00:20:54,290 --> 00:20:52,380 is being investigated so I went and got 511 00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:54,300 my tapes down in the intelligence center 512 00:20:58,610 --> 00:20:56,640 we actually I told the kid 513 00:21:00,259 --> 00:20:58,620 here's our defense for me in about two 514 00:21:01,610 --> 00:21:00,269 minutes or I'm gonna have my way in here 515 00:21:03,049 --> 00:21:01,620 and I'm gonna find them myself 516 00:21:05,690 --> 00:21:03,059 which means pulling drawers out of [\h__\h] 517 00:21:07,639 --> 00:21:05,700 growing it he got him for me really fast 518 00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:07,649 told him I said if your boss has an 519 00:21:12,769 --> 00:21:10,080 issue he can come in truck no one ever 520 00:21:14,930 --> 00:21:12,779 came and talked to me it was never a big 521 00:21:17,090 --> 00:21:14,940 deal took him back to my ready room put 522 00:21:19,340 --> 00:21:17,100 him in the same they just thought it was 523 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:19,350 funny I didn't have a sense of humor for 524 00:21:23,180 --> 00:21:21,210 it at that point I think you put that 525 00:21:25,310 --> 00:21:23,190 rumor to bed the idea that there were 526 00:21:27,139 --> 00:21:25,320 people that were coming on the ship from 527 00:21:29,389 --> 00:21:27,149 an intelligence agency trying to 528 00:21:31,610 --> 00:21:29,399 confiscate the tapes however it's kind 529 00:21:34,039 --> 00:21:31,620 of sad there wasn't an investigation at 530 00:21:36,350 --> 00:21:34,049 that time it took until 2009 for there 531 00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:36,360 to be an intelligence investigation the 532 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:39,600 other information I got Rear Admiral DC 533 00:21:44,450 --> 00:21:42,450 Curtis at the time he really shelved the 534 00:21:46,490 --> 00:21:44,460 whole story that he could have passed it 535 00:21:49,070 --> 00:21:46,500 up command and he wanted to go on 536 00:21:50,990 --> 00:21:49,080 deployment and he didn't handle it the 537 00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,000 way other people would handle it or well 538 00:21:54,860 --> 00:21:53,039 I will say that it could have been 539 00:21:57,470 --> 00:21:54,870 handled better you know I'm not gonna 540 00:21:59,379 --> 00:21:57,480 speak for her animal Curtis I don't 541 00:22:01,310 --> 00:21:59,389 really understand how he stymied the 542 00:22:03,769 --> 00:22:01,320 investigation like people have said to 543 00:22:05,649 --> 00:22:03,779 me I don't understand that and I mean he 544 00:22:08,180 --> 00:22:05,659 just didn't [\h__\h] do anything it I 545 00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,190 mean I'll tell you so I salute 546 00:22:12,139 --> 00:22:10,559 night-vision goggles okay you know 547 00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:12,149 you're a pilot you got to grow up but 548 00:22:15,169 --> 00:22:13,919 you don't have to grow up sometimes we 549 00:22:18,730 --> 00:22:15,179 can be a little bit childish because 550 00:22:21,470 --> 00:22:18,740 you're 34 years old and you're flying 551 00:22:23,649 --> 00:22:21,480 supercool jet so even if you're 25 when 552 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:23,659 I started applying the real test 553 00:22:29,269 --> 00:22:26,970 it's just fun and it's cool and it's a 554 00:22:32,419 --> 00:22:29,279 great job so we would pull around I had 555 00:22:36,110 --> 00:22:32,429 an I had a mvg no qualms so we would fly 556 00:22:38,570 --> 00:22:36,120 around at 200 feet at night with no 557 00:22:41,419 --> 00:22:38,580 license because we'd be in the morning 558 00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:41,429 here's where we're allowed to do that so 559 00:22:46,340 --> 00:22:43,049 we can technically fly around with the 560 00:22:48,860 --> 00:22:46,350 lights on so we would and we see you can 561 00:22:50,389 --> 00:22:48,870 see campfires you know because people 562 00:22:52,580 --> 00:22:50,399 are below us camping you can see 563 00:22:54,649 --> 00:22:52,590 campfires from way away because the 564 00:22:57,379 --> 00:22:54,659 goggles will pick up that light from way 565 00:22:59,629 --> 00:22:57,389 way tomorrow so we even get going really 566 00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,639 fast and then we pull the power back to 567 00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,440 idle so we go zing over the top of these 568 00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:03,840 campfires and then you just like 569 00:23:07,250 --> 00:23:06,000 afterburners and pull up and you leave 570 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:07,260 them on for a minute and then turn them 571 00:23:10,190 --> 00:23:09,570 off so think about you're sitting on the 572 00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:10,200 ground 573 00:23:16,820 --> 00:23:12,960 got a nice campfire it's a pretty starry 574 00:23:19,220 --> 00:23:16,830 night and you don't hear anything then 575 00:23:21,919 --> 00:23:19,230 all of a sudden there's a lot of war 576 00:23:24,979 --> 00:23:21,929 there's fire above your eyes you're like 577 00:23:27,849 --> 00:23:24,989 oh my god and then the fire goes out and 578 00:23:30,590 --> 00:23:27,859 there's nothing there what is that 579 00:23:35,539 --> 00:23:30,600 that's some Top Gun [\h__\h] Dave that's 580 00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,549 hilarious so when you do that you know 581 00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:37,200 we always think either crazy well maybe 582 00:23:40,430 --> 00:23:38,159 they're not crazy 583 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:40,440 and can you explain it now if there was 584 00:23:44,899 --> 00:23:42,210 a real investigation you would come and 585 00:23:46,669 --> 00:23:44,909 say well the Jets were flying in this 586 00:23:48,009 --> 00:23:46,679 area they were doing low training they 587 00:23:50,389 --> 00:23:48,019 don't we don't do low training right now 588 00:23:52,099 --> 00:23:50,399 at least they weren't I don't know if 589 00:23:53,659 --> 00:23:52,109 they're doing it now or not because 590 00:23:55,789 --> 00:23:53,669 there's a huge safety factor to it 591 00:23:57,799 --> 00:23:55,799 flying into the ground is normally not 592 00:23:59,389 --> 00:23:57,809 good for your health but if you've 593 00:24:00,979 --> 00:23:59,399 investigated and it was all we were 594 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:00,989 doing everything right which we were 595 00:24:04,609 --> 00:24:02,850 they could track and say well that was 596 00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:04,619 an airplane in that area doing low 597 00:24:09,739 --> 00:24:07,039 trainer he was just messing with you 598 00:24:10,849 --> 00:24:09,749 what if people never report it then 599 00:24:12,259 --> 00:24:10,859 they're gonna think for the rest of 600 00:24:15,919 --> 00:24:12,269 their life they saw something you can't 601 00:24:17,239 --> 00:24:15,929 explain and if you're not an aviation 602 00:24:18,529 --> 00:24:17,249 person you don't think the Jets are 603 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:18,539 flying around because you're normally 604 00:24:23,180 --> 00:24:20,970 not quiet but if you pull up jet idling 605 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:23,190 you've got a bunch of speed on it it'll 606 00:24:27,499 --> 00:24:24,690 go for quite a while before it really 607 00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:27,509 goes to slow you just turn the burners 608 00:24:30,139 --> 00:24:28,710 on and do whatever you want and then 609 00:24:31,999 --> 00:24:30,149 turn them off and you still got a bunch 610 00:24:34,609 --> 00:24:32,009 of not you're good until you're out of 611 00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:34,619 the area and then you just bring the 612 00:24:38,899 --> 00:24:36,960 motors back up and slightly so your 613 00:24:42,049 --> 00:24:38,909 point is that when you're a trained 614 00:24:44,749 --> 00:24:42,059 observer like you are you had a job at 615 00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:44,759 one time which made you investigate 616 00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,279 things like crashes so when you're a 617 00:24:50,779 --> 00:24:49,200 trained observer you'd get to the bottom 618 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:50,789 of it but if you're not a trained 619 00:24:55,180 --> 00:24:52,710 observer then you're not going to see 620 00:24:58,399 --> 00:24:55,190 all the moving parts of an observation 621 00:25:00,859 --> 00:24:58,409 so your point is apples to apples we 622 00:25:03,470 --> 00:25:00,869 can't compare all observers as the same 623 00:25:06,289 --> 00:25:03,480 however your observation of the event 624 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:06,299 has been consistent verified and matches 625 00:25:10,580 --> 00:25:08,730 up with all details yeah not all 626 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:10,590 observers are the same and if you're 627 00:25:13,639 --> 00:25:11,970 really going to do the investigation 628 00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:13,649 which is kind of what Lou is doing and 629 00:25:18,830 --> 00:25:15,960 it's what Blue Book did back in the 60s 630 00:25:20,810 --> 00:25:18,840 and 70s should go figure out is there an 631 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:20,820 explanation because that's our natural 632 00:25:23,629 --> 00:25:21,570 human 633 00:25:25,779 --> 00:25:23,639 we need expecially from a science 634 00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:25,789 standpoint there's always an explanation 635 00:25:30,469 --> 00:25:28,320 it's the ones that you can't explain 636 00:25:33,169 --> 00:25:30,479 those are the ones that you gotta go 637 00:25:37,700 --> 00:25:33,179 okay and those are the cases that are 638 00:25:40,460 --> 00:25:37,710 documented and investigate everybody so 639 00:25:43,009 --> 00:25:40,470 I was the CEO of a fighter squadron and 640 00:25:44,869 --> 00:25:43,019 I chased this thing one of the many that 641 00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:44,879 we have been tracking on and off for 642 00:25:50,810 --> 00:25:47,220 days and there was never an 643 00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:50,820 investigation so I would ask what else 644 00:25:58,609 --> 00:25:52,529 is out there you know where that's at